now just to toss some discussion into the mix, and certainly not meaning to hijack yer thread here chap as it seems you got the advice you needed and I'm glad things are looking up

I find it interesting that we are so eager to jump to the defence when a woman is tired and worn out from things that it gives her a reason or "excuse" or a get outta sex free card lol

now I"m hardly saying that they should just give it up anyway thats not what I mean, I just mean that when a person deprives there partner pulling away when they go to touch them and things like that it can really hurt the other person, and yes I mean these thigns go both ways lol I"m not just pickin on the girls here as I know myself I can be not in the mood after a long day of work and having lacked sleep the last few nights and I just don't feel like it

but if things are a consistant like this, wouldn't it be a good idea to get perhaps a counseler or something? it just seems like a good idea as I know if I was going thoug ha situation like this It would certainly kick up my old depressional issues, as I can just see the change reaction going on, she doesn't ever want sex, I'd get down on myself and not bother trying anymore being depressed all the time then she'd be depressed all the time and oh boy the hassle it would be

I'm not directing any of this at anyone , as I stated I"m just making discussion, it just seems like a real ... cruel shall we say... thing to just cut off your partner without explaining things to them as why your acting uninterested in them anymore, of course on the other hand when peopple are tired and down they don't always think straight

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